started 20 plus years ago with a Craftsman c-arm found out the difference of cutting on a paralle arm machine bought a 16" v/s delta wore it out bought a dewalt and wore it out in less than 18 months, I was cutting production in a craft store. bought a hawk 220vs and never looked back, recently purchased a jr hawk for demos and such that requires transporting the saw 35 pounds and love it also.