Thanks, it is 1/4" BB ply and I used a #1 UR. Walmart is starting to tick me off because they are changing up their frame selection, as well as other stores too. They all are the thin ones and I rather cut 1/4" than 1/8" for portraits. The 1/4" I buy from Lowes, yes I know it is the crappy kind with voids, has more grain look to it than 1/8" I find at like Michael's. That is why I rather have 1/4" for portraits, unless I mill up a hardwood for a portrait.