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Offline Keefie

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Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« on: November 28, 2012, 07:03:56 pm »
               
There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world.
However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.
Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks.
This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second - 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them-Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen  Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).
600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft reentering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on
his trip. Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. In .001 seconds, would be subjected to acceleration forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of red goo.
Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.
Merry Christmas.
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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 07:21:44 pm »
So, what are you saying Keith? >:(
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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 09:03:49 pm »
What! Say it isn't so?
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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 09:11:59 pm »
Yeah?  And your point being?
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 10:10:01 pm »
The distance Santa has to travel can be estimated from the following. First, while the surface area of Earth is about 10to the 14th square meters, only about 30 percent of that is land mass, or about 0.3 x 10 14th square meters. Second, we'll assume, for simplicity's sake, that the 800 million homes are equally distributed on this land mass. Dividing 0.3 x 10 14th by 800 million gives 4 x 10 4th square meters occupied by every household (about six football fields); the square root of that is the distance between households, about 200 meters. Multiply this by the 800 million households to get the distance Santa must travel on Christmas Eve to deliver all the children's gifts: 160 million kilometers, farther than the distance from here to the sun.
Thanks to the rotation of the earth, Santa has more time than children might initially think. Standing on the International Date Line, moving from east to west and crossing different time zones, Santa has not just 10 hours to deliver his presents (from 8 p.m., when children go to bed, until 6 a.m., when they wake up), but an extra 24 hours- 34 hours in all.
Even so, Santa's task is daunting.
Now, some have guessed that Santa accomplishes his task by traveling at a speed close to that of light-let's say, 99.999999 percent of the speed of light. By traveling that fast, in fact, Santa can deliver all his presents in just 500 seconds or so, with plenty of time left over (the remainder of the 34 hours) to polish off the cookies the children have left him on their kitchen tables.
There are certain consequences, however, of Santa's traveling at this frantic pace. For example:
First, children may not be able to see Santa racing across the dark night sky, but they may be able to see a trail of light caused by Cerenkov radiation, a phenomenon created when charged objects travel faster than the speed of light (which they can do in transparent media, but not in a vacuum). Since the basic component of our atmosphere is nitrogen, light is slowed to 99.97 percent of its usual speed of 300,000 kilometers per second. Santa travels faster than this and undoubtedly is charged; as a consequence, then, he will emit visible photons. (Unfortunately, that light will be obscured by the light caused by the friction created when Santa rushes through the atmosphere. Also, Santa might roast in all this heat, but we'll presume that Santa's sleigh, like space capsules, has special protective shielding.)
Second, children will notice that as Rudolph, Santa's lead reindeer, is rushing toward their homes, his nose is no longer red. The color depends on just how fast Rudolph is moving, turning yellow, then green, then blue, then violet, and finally turning invisible in the ultraviolet range as he accelerates to higher and higher speeds. This change in color is a well-known phenomenon, called the Doppler shift, which astronomers take advantage of to figure out the speeds with which the stars and galaxies in our expanding universe are moving with respect to us; from that information, the distances to these celestial objects can be deduced. Using the accompanying table, children can determine how fast Rudolph is traveling by noting the color of his nose.
One worry Santa has is whether, with his irremediable girth, he'll be able to squeeze into all those chimneys. Traveling at nearly the speed of light makes the problem worse, because Santa gains mass (his kinetic energy adds to his mass, as Einstein's famous E = mc2 attests). Children believe that Santa will easily fit in the chimney, because from their frame of reference, even though Santa is heavier, he has contracted. From Santa's frame of reference, though, the chimney is narrower than Santa is.
But children need not fear. The theory of relativity assures us that Santa will fit (see figure 4), and their packages will be delivered on time.
Children might also wonder why Santa never seems to age. From year to year, he retains his cherub face and merry laugh, his long white beard and his round belly that jiggles like a bowlfull of jelly. The fact is that for objects traveling at close to the speed of light, time slows down. So, the more packages Santa delivers, the more he'll travel, and the more he'll remain the same, carrying on the Christmas tradition for generations of children to come. 

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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 11:30:47 pm »
I'll go with Billy!

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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 11:42:38 pm »
I think that's the most reading I've done since high school :-[   Pete
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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 11:47:10 pm »
You have forgotten the Drag and friction coefficients that the sled will produce up acceleration and stopping. This will also have many other variables depending on the roof material that are used at each stop. Then you also need to address the heat distortion which will also affect lift. Does he use dynamic braking?

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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 12:24:57 am »
You believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe and let's see who has the best presents under the tree.  thhhhhhhhhhpt!

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 06:25:27 am »
Hey Bill the diver, I have to agree with your version. Not only that, I can read it quicker.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2012, 09:22:44 am »
@ Bill the Diver   Aks your grandkids  hahahaha   I gonna tell mine where to find you!
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2012, 06:42:46 pm »
bill can I sit on your lap and tell you what I want? ;D

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Re: Santa is a myth - Proof at last!!!! Sorry Kids
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2012, 02:03:12 am »
You are all forgetting the MIRACLE that Christmas is.
Santa would have to be a miracle too and you can't clock miracles or test to see how much they can haul, now can you? All those kids with their presents from Santa proove it.
Give it up!
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