thanks Don
Thank for the reply
I have been googling the problem and according to pythagorus and all his mates it is a much reported problem, has any one else had this.
There answer was to empty the font cache, but I dont know were that is in vista?
The other suggestion was to keep shutting down , leaving a few minutes and then reboot, again and again.
Any way I have shutdown and had a fag six times now just rebooeted for the seventh time and ha presto both progs work again.
will now be looking to see what this gimp 2.8 has to offer, what were your issues with it Don?
Dave