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General Category => General Scroll Saw Talk => Topic started by: mrsn on April 28, 2011, 12:31:32 am
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Do you drill all of your holes at the same time? Or drill some, cut some, drill some, cut some.....?
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I drill all my holes at the same time except of course the ones I miss!
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Not that I have that much experience, but I drill them all first then do the cutting.
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I also drill them all at the same time, Kate. But it seems I sometimes miss a couple and have to go back.... grrrrr.
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I tend to drill all the holes I can drill that are big, cut them out then drill the really fine ones.
malc
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I drill them all and then do the cutting, unless it is a project that is really complex. In that case, then I do things a section at a time, drilling one entire section and then cutting those out before proceeding. That way it allows me to stretch and take a few minutes break and get away from the saw for a bit before proceeding.
Sheila
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I'm with Sheila on this one,on complex projects i do it in sections.
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I drill them all at once, even on the complex ones, because I sand the back of the piece after I drill. Then I cut from the center to the outside.
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Like Sheila, it depends on how many.
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I drill all my holes first, cut, then drill the holes I missed the first time.
Bill
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I try to drill all.
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I drill mine all at once.. Sheila
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I drill all of them, then cut, then drill the ones i missed.
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I like to drill all the holes first, but I get tired and have to sit down, so I start cutting
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I?m new to cutting from paper patterns and some times get a little confused on what needs to be cut out (when I'm cutting) so I go over the whole pattern first and shade the cutouts. Then I take the wood to the drill press and drill all the holes. I use the special wood bits instead of a normal twist drill. I don't know what they are called but they have a small point in the center and a small cutting spur at the outside of each flute. Could they be called ?brad point?? Anyway I'm hope you know what I mean.
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You are correct - they are brad point bits.
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Brad point bits are really good if you need to drill very accurate holes. They make a point, and stick to their pint with out flexing as much as other bits.
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I do like Julie does, I drill all my holes first and sand the back so it will slide around better.
Kim
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I drill all of the hole areas and on the very small ones I turn the blank over and re-drill as to make sure the blade enters the hole with no trouble, at times I lightly sand the back to rid it of small burr material.
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I usually drill all the holes first, and then sand the back, and then use an old blade to insert in the holes to make sure they are "open".
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All at the same time Unless its a complex one as well then it gets drilled,cut,put away ,drilled, cut, put away, till I'm done with it...
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I always drill all of my holes first (except for some that I miss). I find it is easier to drill at the drill press, and then move over to the saw.
Jim
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I guess I do the same way most of you do. Drill the big easy holes first and work down in size. Cut out the small hard areas first always leaving the big areas until last. They usually have the toothpicks in them holding the project together. I sand before even start the pattern laying etc. It is a lot safer to do it then when you have don't to work around all those fragile pieces.
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I usually drill all the holes first, and then sand the back, and then use an old blade to insert in the holes to make sure they are "open".
Yup me too, but I use a large paper clip with the end straightened to poke through.
G
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Cant see that it makes much difference, if it's a large pattern I will drill a few them get up and drill some more but that is only so I get to stretch my weary bones
Jimbo
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mrsn,
Where do you get brad point drill bits in the small sizes that will work on our small detailed work? I've been looking for them very unsuccessfully!
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I am not sure about really small sizes but I can get 1/8" brad points at the big box hardware stores (lowes, home depot, or menards)
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I get mine from Lee Valley http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=42247&cat=1,180,42240
They go from 5/64 up
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Mikes got the small twist drill bits. #71 through 1/16"
here at http://www.mikesworkshop.com/newprod.htm
Gabby
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It depends how big the pattern is. If not too many holes I drill them all at the same time. When it is a very big one I might drill 20 holes, drill them and walk back to my little drill press and cut 20 more holes. I write it down, that way it is easy to find out how many holes there are in the pattern. Many people have told me how many holes are in that project? Also I like to keep time, the same with the people again. How long dit that take you they ask. If you go to my web site and click on Scrollsaw- samples, you see the big Grand Father clock. It has 4045 holes and it took me 95 hours.
I have to admit that I was burned out for a few days.
FD Mike
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I'm in the process of cutting out the pattern called "Ladies First". I think I counted 650 holes just in the grass at the bottom. That's where i quit for now. I will cut all of them and then drill more when finished with that part.
I was trying to figure out how to make a counter for the drill press. I would make a mark for every 50 holes.
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Well Chris
You could get one of those manual counters and set it up so it would trip every time your drill press (assuming you use one) bottoms out. OR-- --------
just get a pencil and paper and make a mark for every 5 or 10 then add them up!
Both ways should work.
Pencil and paper is probably the cheapest.
Wise A&&
Gabby ;D
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Hey Chris, I've cut that one twice and still don't know how many holes are in it! I always loose count.
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Once I paste my pattern on, I take a red fine tip sharpie and mark each cut out where I want to start the drill - saves me time in finding them later and at the same time I count the holes. Though in most cases I just don't want to know - LOL. But the shapie lets me know if I missed one. In some cases, I say t myself, you'll never cut that. I have never had a person say "You missed a hole, at which time I will show them where the front door is." LOL
Vince
Winter Parl,Fl
Near the Mouse House
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That's a great idea, Vince! I think doing it that way will give me a better look at where I want to start a cut. When you have that many holes, it sometimes gets hard to tell where to go next. Thanks for the idea.
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Great idea ... sometimes I will stand at the drill press and contemplate where the best place would be.... by using the marker it's already decided and I can just go for it.....
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I, like many I have read here drill all the holes before cutting. Then I go back and drill the ones I missed, just glad to know I'm not the only one who has to return to the drill press to drill missed holes. For whatever the reason it is so frustrating.
Gary
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I am with Shelia L. on this. Most times I drill all the holes at once, but I have found on the saw blade I am cutting out, there are so many small areas that I do them one section at a time.
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600 + holes????
WOW
get wifie to do it LOL Iggy.
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Iggy would you trust YOUR wife to do it? If so you're a whole lot braver than I am ;D
Gabby
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lol, gabby. Iggy isn't brave to have his wife do it, he just knows that if you want something done rigt the first time you give it to a woman ;D
MrsN
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Katie, Your not old enough to talk like that!! ::)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! You go Katie!!!
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Katie , you are soooooooooooooo right .. the guys don't want to hear the truth !!!
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I'm with ya Katie... Sheila in Tx
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I can trust my wife with her sewing machine, and in the kitchen, but put a screwdriver or a drill in her hand, look out! You gals are the exception to the rule. Check out the percentage of females in this forum.
All us guys really appreciate the feminine touch you add!!
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Not to mention you ladies also look a lot better than most of us guys! You got the respect from us and you got talent too.
I am like the rest of you, drill the holes then cut. I have missed very few so far.
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Not to mention you ladies also look a lot better than most of us guys! You got the respect from us and you got talent too.
I am like the rest of you, drill the holes then cut. I have missed very few so far.
You silver tongued devil.
Look out ladies. ;D
Gabby
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No worries there Gabby! :o I admit females are the finer sex but I can only afford the one I grabbed twenty...uhm...twenty... oh yeah, twenty-six years ago this July. But if others don't mind my sweet talk, I mean it, but I'm harmless. Well... most of the time! ;D
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No worries there Gabby! :o I admit females are the finer sex but I can only afford the one I grabbed twenty...uhm...twenty... oh yeah, twenty-six years ago this July. But if others don't mind my sweet talk, I mean it, but I'm harmless. Well... most of the time! ;D
Yeah Harold, Your just a big ole teddy bear! ;D
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I can trust my wife with her sewing machine, and in the kitchen, but put a screwdriver or a drill in her hand, look out! You gals are the exception to the rule. Check out the percentage of females in this forum.
All us guys really appreciate the feminine touch you add!!
My wife has her own tool box, and her own power drill, and knows how to use them!
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Excuse me for butting in BUT ... it makes me feel wonderful when my hubby has to ask me for one of my tools. Of course I would never rub it in like ask ... my drill is right here, do you want to borrow it ...hand it here I'll just cut it on the band saw ... did you try it on the drill press ... I could probably get that with the scroll saw ... why not just throw it on the miter saw ..... wait let me grab my hammer .... will one of these bits work ............. you get the picture ??? ;D ;D ;D
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Watch out Marion, your getting me hot!! ::) :o
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;D ;D ;D ;D with all my tools and my new hairdo I can see how that could happen :o :o
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;D ;D ;D ;D with all my tools and my new hairdo I can see how that could happen :o :o
I'm laughing my A off. Too much Marion too much. LMAO still.
One thing my wife is good at that most gals don't even try to do. I said MOST.
She can shoot your eye out with a hand gun! She had never handled one until we got married, and I'm proud to say I taught her how. Now a long gun is a different matter, she's right handed and left eye dominant. :(
Gabby
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I'm with you, Marion. My husband is pretty much clueless on tools or how to use most of them. I sold snap-on tools for 12 years and was the hardware expert at a home depot for 5 years and you could see the shock on many guys faces when the male associates had to ask me questions.
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Way to go julie ... you make us women proud ;D
The biggest fights in my house is when we are going to build something. I have my ideas and he has his .... usually have to keep going until he thinks my idea is his !!!!!
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If I need help, my husband asks why can't we do it this way or that. Usually it is the half-a$$ed way of doing it. I don't even let him sand bacause it is either left rough or he muscles it to where it is uneven or wavy. Our biggest fights over tools is when I go to get one and he has misplaced it or left it where he used it last.
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Julie. that is why my wife has her own tools and hand drill. She has no reason to borrow mine!
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my husband and I compliment each other really well. My strengths are this he doesn't know as well and his sthengths are thins I don't know as well. We actually work very well together.
on the other hand I have a few students who have a hard time taking woodworking advise from a woman (it might be taking advise in general, they are 18 year olds and always right)
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We only got married a few years ago. He put his junk in my boxes and thinks we share. I plan on getting him his own rollcab and putting the things he brought into it. Hopefully he takes it as a gift not a keep out sign.
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Well, this topic has really given me a lot of info on "drilling Holes", etc. Thanks
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Sorry Chuck, We get lost sometimes.
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This is nothing compared to how off subject some posts can get. :)
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After 3.5 pages of saying how you drill a hole, it was getting hard to come up with a new way, so we just started getting off track after that .... ;D ;D ;D ;D