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Title: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on January 20, 2011, 12:59:07 pm: OK I'm off again, to get my mind off the problems of making my globe I have decided to build another clock, a grandfather this time. Here is the link to the one I have just started http://www.woodentimes.com/tertius.html
As far as the globe goes I have ordered the book Julief suggested and learn the techniques needed.
More on the clock when I start cutting.
malc
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: heiko rettberg on January 20, 2011, 01:03:46 pm: Wow looks greate, show us your steps.
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Post by: Bill P on January 20, 2011, 01:14:58 pm: Too cool!

Bill
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Post by: boxmaker on January 20, 2011, 01:32:23 pm: I can hardly wait malc.

Mark
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Post by: marmoh on January 20, 2011, 01:38:13 pm: So enjoyed following the progress on the last one ... can't wait to begin another adventure with you !!
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Post by: campasano on January 20, 2011, 01:40:42 pm: Wow, what a nice project, I really love it.

Mike
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Post by: malc on January 21, 2011, 07:34:03 am: The journey begins. This is the frame and one drive wheel, still only rough cut, but a start.
Malc
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Post by: Mainewoods on January 21, 2011, 08:00:47 am: This is gonna be good!
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Post by: tux_linux on January 21, 2011, 09:58:10 am: rough cut... ohoh... ;D

go malc go!

regards
Torsten
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Post by: Chachi on January 21, 2011, 11:10:12 am: *I'm so excited I have the popcorn ready if anyone wants some*.

Malc you did such a great job on the last one I can't wait to see this one done as well.
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on January 21, 2011, 03:25:35 pm: Drive wheel and wind ratchet cut.
Malc
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Post by: boxmaker on January 21, 2011, 04:13:58 pm: Wow, your already cutting parts. It's looking good.
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on January 23, 2011, 12:19:56 pm: All gears now cut the next task is to get them all to run together!! This could take some time. :)
Malc
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Post by: CMHN on January 23, 2011, 06:18:42 pm: I have just subscribed to this thread, cant wait to see more.
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Post by: HWPlmbr1 on January 24, 2011, 12:01:49 am: Malc, Looking good again!

You must have a lot of...

wait for it...

time...on your hands and you are putting your...

wait for it again...

time...to good use! ;D ;D
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Post by: Chachi on January 24, 2011, 12:52:31 am: That was just bad HW just bad /shaking head lol
Looking good Malc
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Post by: woodentimes on January 24, 2011, 02:48:45 am: Hi Malcolm
You are doing a wonderful job, it is always great to see my clocks being made, can not wait to see the finished Tertius.
Dave
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on January 24, 2011, 07:31:34 am: Quote from: woodentimes on January 24, 2011, 02:48:45 am
Hi Malcolm
You are doing a wonderful job, it is always great to see my clocks being made, can not wait to see the finished Tertius.
Dave
Hi Dave, nice to have you onboard. Downside is you will be able to cast your designers eye over my progress of your design! Must do my best not to disappoint!!
Malc
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: dgman on January 24, 2011, 09:44:29 am: Quote from: woodentimes on January 24, 2011, 02:48:45 am
Hi Malcolm
You are doing a wonderful job, it is always great to see my clocks being made, can not wait to see the finished Tertius.
Dave
Hey Dave, Welcome to the forum! Malc is doing a great job at cutting and building your clocks! It's wonderful that he is sharing it with us as he go's along with the build!
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: woodentimes on January 24, 2011, 11:40:58 am: Malcolm
I did not want to give you the feeling that I am "looking over your shoulder" ;) I just think it is great what other craftsmen are able to do with my plans, and when the clock is finished you have a hand made thing of beauty (and it even tells the time!). Are you going to make your pillars from wood?
Dave
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Post by: malc on January 24, 2011, 12:50:42 pm: Yes they will be wood
Malc
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Post by: crusty59 on January 24, 2011, 01:33:39 pm: Dave, I looked at your website. I can't wait to buy a plan and make one of your clocks. They are beautiful!. Malc you are doing a great job so far. I can't wait to see how you finish it.
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Post by: tux_linux on January 24, 2011, 02:13:08 pm: It's ok Dave!

We need to keep an eye on Malc - he's not just playing with the time, but he is also figuring out how to rebuild the world ;D ;)

regards
Torsten
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Post by: boxmaker on January 24, 2011, 07:20:56 pm: I think it is great having the designer and the builder in one room. I'll just enjoy , Thank You both.
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Post by: Russ C on January 24, 2011, 09:13:52 pm: I am looking forwrd to a good time watching. :)
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Post by: woodentimes on January 25, 2011, 07:28:30 am: Malcolm
I can almost feel the pressure build up! The eyes of the world are watching your Tertius progress, and if that is not enough the designer even decides to chip in. Oh you poor man :)But I guess such things do separate the wheat from the chaff. How about a webcam in your workshop ;D ;D. I often think it is a great pity that we do this online, it would be great to sit with you guys over a few beers and just chew the fat, I am certain we would have a great and fruitful meeting.
Yours Dave
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Post by: tux_linux on January 25, 2011, 09:33:30 am: Lego ;D It's funny to see how much people to use it for some technical purpose. I had a lot of Lego in my youth - and my brother restarted collecting some years ago.

@Dave
I have one question: As I'm watching your beautiful clocks, and also the clocks of Clayton Boyer, I noticed, that all the wheels on those clocks do not have a finish like oil, wax or lacquer. Why is this? Would it make the wheels non-circular / unbalanced ?

regards
Torsten
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: woodentimes on January 25, 2011, 01:08:45 pm: Torsten
The reason is that a finish which develops a surface, such as varnish, wears off the contacting surfaces of the teeth and starts to "gum" up the gear train. So if you wanted to treat the cogs you would have to mask off the teeth and check that you have no varnish on their surfaces. Or you could just use a stain, but as said nothing that forms a wearable surface. And I find if you have a darkish frame, the untreated cogs provide a good contrast, attracting your eye to all those slowly turning cogs.
Dave
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Post by: tux_linux on January 25, 2011, 04:31:26 pm: ah - ok, that's why. I'm actually fine with the pure look, I like to see the natural wood.

might try one too..sometime.. ::)

regards
Torsten
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: Russ C on January 30, 2011, 08:15:43 am: Warning

I have removed the pictures/links to the images posted thru Image Shack of Malc's Tertius clock build after several complaints (me included) of Malware/Virus. Anyone who has viewed the pictures/links thru Image Shack should take precautions and check/scan there computer.
I believe the problem is Image Shack not Malc and have notified him to contact Image Shack of the situation.

Sorry for any inconvenience, I believe we have had one member infected already.

Russ
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Post by: malc on January 31, 2011, 05:41:32 am: Thank you Russ for bringing this to my attention. I have contacted imageshack to make them aware of the problem and await their reply. I will not be using any image host until I can be assured this will not happen again. In future I will post pictures direct from my camera to avoid the problem. My sincere apologies to any member of the forum for any inconvenience caused as I had no idea there was a problem.
Malc
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Post by: julief on January 31, 2011, 07:12:23 am: Malc, The weirdest part was that I had viewed that picture before with no problem.
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on January 31, 2011, 10:50:31 am: This is the grass hopper escapement used in the tertius, very fiddily to set up, but very quiet when running. picture direct from camera not via image Shack!!!
Malc
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on January 31, 2011, 11:07:43 am: Couple of utube links to my working grass hopper
Malc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8DcsvgNGjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbSVXiYJxwY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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Post by: tux_linux on January 31, 2011, 11:16:51 am: sweet!

@ malc:
you can also use the German Bildercache.de (http://www.bildercache.de).

regards
Torsten
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Post by: Marcellarius on January 31, 2011, 12:26:40 pm: awesome video!!
what a great clock.
I want to make one to. looks so great!
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Post by: boxmaker on January 31, 2011, 03:09:57 pm: Ah.. good, some more pictures, thanks malc.

Mark
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Post by: Mainewoods on January 31, 2011, 04:28:55 pm: Waaaaaaaaay Cool!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on February 01, 2011, 04:35:14 am: Got this reply today from Image Shack...Hello Malcolm,

Thank you for taking time to report this issue. We have already identified the offending ad networking and have disabled it. We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused.

Lets hope thats an end to the problems.
Malc
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: Russ C on February 01, 2011, 07:39:19 am: Well what do ya know. When I open my e-mail this morning I also received a reply from Imageshack acknowledging a problem. So I guess it wasn't a figment of our imagination.

I realize that not everyone has experienced this issue and I never felt this was a forum member problem but rather a problem with ImageShack that has been persistent, reported and documented for several years now. Imageshack has also been hacked on several occasions and has acknowledge problems with its image hosting service and security.

Just a suggestion, but users might want to consider switching to using another web based storage / posting sources for there pictures. There are others. 8)
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Post by: Dawie on February 01, 2011, 09:19:51 am: Absolutely amazing. Great work there.
David
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Post by: malc on February 01, 2011, 10:05:58 am: Good idea Russ, which do you suggest?
Malc
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Post by: Rapid Roger on February 01, 2011, 11:21:00 am: I'm not Russ but, I use "photobucket" and have never had any problems......So far......"Knock on (scroll saw) wood." ;D

Rog
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: Russ C on February 01, 2011, 12:06:22 pm: Photobucket is also what I use to upload my photos. No problems so far either. I tried Picasa but I didn't like it. The software tried to take control of all my photos and editing. 8)
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Post by: HWPlmbr1 on February 01, 2011, 06:37:03 pm: I have not had a problem with any image shack pics. I like the videos too Malc!

Chachi, sorry some times I have a mind that works like...clockwork! Oops! I did it again! ;D
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: woodentimes on February 03, 2011, 02:12:23 am: Malcolm
Could not help noticing that the bottom "pull" pallet is slipping off the escapement wheel teeth. This is one of the disadvantages of the Grasshopper, but it can be corrected. One of the major causes is lack of drive force. When this is the case,the escapement wheel moves slower than the swing of the pendulum, reducing the pallet grip and causing it to just slip off the tooth.Usually an increase in drive force will solve the problem. Secondly the tooth should connect in the pallet corner. And thirdly the pallet should be so counter balanced that the pallet falls onto the stop with as little force as possible. If despite your best efforts the pallet still slips, you can file a small hook in the pallet corner, which will give the pallet more grip.
The grasshopper is because of it?s nature more complicated than a deadbeat, but worth the effort when it starts running smoothly. It is mostly just a case of getting your head round the concept of the Grasshopper.
Dave
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: tux_linux on February 03, 2011, 02:45:53 am: ohoh - there is the rating ;D

But good to hear, that you can check the clock by a short video :o

regards
Torsten
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: malc on February 03, 2011, 05:32:59 am: Thanks Dave appreciate the advice, I am still fiddling about and will start with a bit more drive force and see how I get on.
Malc
Title: Re: Tertius clock build
Post by: tux_linux on February 24, 2011, 03:22:40 am: how are things going? Is the clock still in progress?

regards
Torsten