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Title: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: Becky on June 20, 2010, 01:52:01 am
I am trying to figure out if there is some jig or set up to facilitate cutting a perfect circle on the scroll saw.  I've seen videos about how to do it on a band saw but as best as I can tell, that method would have the wood hanging over the table instead of lying flat on it.  Plus there is the question of being able to secure the jig solidly to the table so it doesn't move.

I've been pondering this for a while and finally just decided to ask and see if anyone else has figured it out.  Pictures or diagrams would be very helpful.

I am looking for circles maybe 10 inches or so in diameter at the moment though I guess a good jig concept would work for any diameter that could fit a saw's throat depth.  I would plan to cut these from 1/4" BB plywood but again, that ought to be changable (in a perfect world, lol).

Any ideas for doing this?  Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: daneklund on June 20, 2010, 05:51:06 am
I would create a 1/4" wood base plate that is stuck to the table surface with double stick tape.  Then, using a small center pin hole thru the piece you are cutting and into the base plate.  This would work for circles of 5" radius or so.  Sort of limited by the size of the base plate you make.  My approach - I am sure there are some better ideas out there.  Looking forward to seeing them.  Good question.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: chips on June 20, 2010, 08:22:42 am
 Hmmmm.... Interesting idea Becky.

  Just off the top of my head I would think you could do as Eclipse mentions only make the 1/4" board long enuf and wide enuf to support the piece you want to cut. double-side tape it to your table. Put a hole in the board for the blade. set the rest up like you would for a bandsaw. The nice part is that you can put a hole in your project wherever you want to start..... not like a bandsaw where you have to start on a board edge.

  The downside might be that scroll saw blades tend to want to wander off to the right unless you compensate for it. But might be an interesting experiment to try.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: dunk on June 20, 2010, 10:06:27 am
If you have a dedicated sander cut out your circle and then use the jig on your sander.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: dgman on June 20, 2010, 10:41:46 am
Becky, As Dunk suggested I would make a jig for a disk sander. I just cant see doing this on a scroll saw.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: BilltheDiver on June 20, 2010, 08:35:48 pm
If you don't have access to a bandsaw, how about a router table.  Circle cutting jigs for router tables work well and are easy to come by.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: Becky on June 20, 2010, 11:06:33 pm
I don't have a band saw or a router.  I do have a small disk sander on the side of my cheap-o belt sander.  I've never even used it.

I'm not going to be able to do anything this week probably so maybe someone with a magic bullet will come along yet.   ;)
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: cloetpatrick on June 21, 2010, 01:29:01 am
 ;) Il est facile de fabriquer un semblant de tour ? bois avec une simple foreuse dans le cas o? vous n'en auriez pas.  ;)
Voir ici;

http://stevedgood.com/community/index.php?topic=1158.msg8841#msg8841 (http://stevedgood.com/community/index.php?topic=1158.msg8841#msg8841)
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: jimbo on June 21, 2010, 02:49:06 am
Easy on a lathe, does it have to be perfectly round? or just round , if so mark and cut your circle on the scroll or band saw preferably just out side the mark and then sand it round on a disc sander, if that is not good enough ther is plenty of sights on how to make a jig, but they do not always cut true
Jimbo
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: Becky on June 21, 2010, 07:23:25 pm
No, it doesn't have to be perfectly round.  Just "eyeball" round.

What I am wanting to do is make some of those Pennsylvania Dutch hex signs using segmentation.  To do that I'd need to start with a circle of wood because they are all round.  So it doesn't have to be perfect like for a clock gear but it needs to be not noticably unround.

It's sounding like the sanding approach is going to be my best bet.

Thanks for all your suggestions and help.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: sgood on June 21, 2010, 10:01:40 pm
Becky, the sanding jig is by far the best approach with the tools you have on hand. Also don't rule out that you can cut a very accurate circle with the scroll saw free hand. With a bit of practice you can keep a tolerance of +/- the width of the pattern line. From a few feet away it will look round. Give it a try you might surprise yourself.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: cloetpatrick on June 22, 2010, 01:18:07 am
 ;) Yes, it's true Steve, I think I need a perfectly round circle with a central axis perfectly centered. I'm having a lot of experience in the field, but as for the gears of a clock, which must be accurate to 99.9%, I've never been as accurate as a lathe. .. Now, if only to make "right round" without it being too precise, it is true that a simple template is fine. We were not on the same wavelength ... Moreover, here, should not a central axis that is seen to make a cut in! ...  ;)
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: jimbo on June 22, 2010, 02:59:41 am
You can make it perfectly round on a lathe, but after it is cut the wood may move, unless it is ply and glued on the cross, wood moves after is cut on the long grain not so much on the end grain, make sence?
Jimbo
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: dunk on June 22, 2010, 11:33:20 am
What is a
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Pennsylvania Dutch hex signs
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Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: jowshu98 on June 22, 2010, 05:10:32 pm
Mike,

Having grown up in PA these are everywhere there. They are a very beautiful form of art, tradition and history. Here is an article I found that explains them. http://www.padutch.com/hexsigns.shtml. I thought of making one for my house a while back and completely forgot about it with everything else going on; I think I might just give it a shot when things slow down a little.

Don
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: Becky on June 22, 2010, 07:09:05 pm
That's them all right.  I remember them from the old Dutch Pantry restaurants that used to be scattered around here and there.  My brothers and I all thought they were cool (some 40 years or so ago).  I still think so and thought they might make nice gifts.  Just something a little different.

Steve, I might be able to cut a halfway decent circle but I don't trust myself.  It seems like I am just getting it right and then the changing grain direction makes me turn too fast or too slow and I get a blip - which I ususally over-correct for and then blip the other way.  Sometimes it is hard to get it back on track once it goes awry.  I've done a lot of sawing since my last attempt at a circle so maybe it'll be a little better.   But I think I will build a sanding jig anyway!  :)
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: dgman on June 22, 2010, 07:19:05 pm
Hey Becky, I agree with Steve. You should be able to cut these free hand on your scroll saw. It will take practice, but I know you will be able to do it.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: dgman on June 22, 2010, 07:25:22 pm
Becky, The thing to remember is if you stray off of the line make a gradual return to the line. If you make an abrupt correction it will show. If you make a gradual return, it wont show up as much.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: Becky on June 22, 2010, 10:37:24 pm
I know that in my head, dgman, but sometimes I don't seem to know it in my hands.  I'm at the point where I can do most things pretty well *some* of the time but have trouble with doing them right consistently. 

I know I just need more -and more- practice but I want to make one of these (right now, lol).  That's why I wondered if there was an easy way to assure the roundness of my circle.  I'll cut it freehand and I'll try to make a good job of it but having a sanding jig ready is still probably a good idea.  If nothing else, it'll help me relax when I'm making the cut.
Title: Re: Jig for Cutting a Perfect Circle?
Post by: jimbo on June 22, 2010, 11:00:45 pm
Becky if you cut a fraction outside the line you can sand it free hand to the line on a disc sander, I find this is the eariest way, try it
Jimbo