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Title: Cold Hands
Post by: Rimu on June 17, 2010, 05:43:55 am
  I am quite new to scrolling.For the last 12 years or more i have been making Bandsawn Boxes. So for a bit of a change i decided to try scrolling.I took the bull by the horns and imported a Hegner  scroll saw from Australia (No sales here in New Zealand ) A great saw compared with my previous one. I only had one problem  COLD HANDS ! the table always seemed to be just above freezing point whenever i wanted to use the saw. Fine in summer but not so good this time of the year ( our winter )
Wearing gloves wasn't an option so after many enquiries i settled on using a heating cable.
What i had made was a cable with two heating elements rated at 12.1/2 wats each 25 in total with a link between them running on 230 volts . These elements were attached under the table one on each side they were held in place using aluminium adhesive tape. The table now is a treat to work on  and is warm to touch but not hot so there is no chance of the table distorting or warping due to excessive heat. The total cost was NZ $80  and well worth every cent.           :o
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: MadHatter on June 17, 2010, 08:54:18 am
wow very cool idea. :)
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Russ C on June 17, 2010, 09:00:06 am
My wife hates cold hands too. LOL  ::)

Really though, smart thinking. 
 8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: cornishpisky on June 17, 2010, 12:36:04 pm
Hi Rimu, I have the same problem with cold hands in the winter, my cast iron table attracts the cold like a magnet, i find fingerless gloves or a anglepoise lamp warm things up nicely though...

PS: Anyone ever told you you look remarkably like Bruce Willis?
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: GrayBeard on June 17, 2010, 01:20:18 pm
There is a ready market for an inventor!

Scroll Saw Table Warmer!!

The way the DeWalt stand is made maybe a small clip-on heating lamp mounted under the table toward the rear? Just have to find a way to keep the sawdust from igniting!

~~~GrayBeard~~~
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Dragonlord85 on June 17, 2010, 03:04:54 pm
Here in Arizona we have to find a way to cool the table down. 110 degree heat tends to make thing a little warm.
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: northie66 on June 17, 2010, 05:10:12 pm
I can hardly concentrate on your question... you look like Bruce Willis... one of my favorite actors  ;D
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Merlin on June 17, 2010, 05:29:51 pm
Rimu welcome we Kiwi's gotta stick together, cause we are few.LOL

Any way to the idea "great" to expenses for me I get a 3mm mdf piece and attach that to the table in winter not as warm as your $80 warmer.

Merlin
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Dragonlord85 on June 17, 2010, 07:12:17 pm
Do you need a napkin Janet?
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: northie66 on June 17, 2010, 08:20:04 pm
I need something... that's for sure  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: GrayBeard on June 17, 2010, 08:29:24 pm
I have a bib here my grandkids used to use!
Want me to send it your way, Janet?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: northie66 on June 17, 2010, 09:43:28 pm
Gonna need more than a bib... maybe some quicker picker upper ;)

Jeez... poor guy... all new and I'm probably scaring him off  :-\
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: jon on June 17, 2010, 10:25:14 pm
thats a cool idea
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Charlie Dearing on June 18, 2010, 01:18:21 am
Not sure it's a bib she's needing, but I'll get slapped if I go into more detail.
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Danny on June 19, 2010, 09:38:10 am
I bought a small space heater with a fan.  I set it up on my workbench about  two feet from my saw and it works great in the cold temps.  :+}
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: GrayBeard on June 19, 2010, 11:32:39 am
I bought a small space heater with a fan.  I set it up on my workbench about  two feet from my saw and it works great in the cold temps.  :+}

Dannny...I am designing a 'Lower Shelf' for the DeWalt stand so I will be able to set my little ceramic heater right under the saw for when the cold weather sets in. Plan to go out and turn it on about 1/2 hour before I start working so the table warms up!
It was bad enough last winter with the cast aluminum table but I can't imagine what the steel table will be like at 40?!!!
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: northie66 on June 19, 2010, 09:32:58 pm
Danny... I have the same thing.  And I enclose the part of the garage that my workshop is in with tarp walls... makes it a smaller space to heat.
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: jimbo on June 21, 2010, 03:07:15 am
Concentrate on the question Janet and stop the drooling, all us Kiwis are handsome, back to the question on cold hands, on the lathe I wear leather gloves but as yet have had no problems on the saw, [it is probably still to new] but I tend to keep my hands fingers on the wood more than the metal table perhaps I am doing somthing wrong!!
Jimbo
Welcome Rimu, that is what I use most for most of my projects
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: jimbo on June 21, 2010, 03:08:22 am
Just had another look he is nothing like Bruce
Jimbo
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: jowshu98 on June 22, 2010, 05:22:23 pm
I have a radiant heat lamp that looks like a tall fan and oscillates as well. It warms up the entire space quickly until the furnace in the garage/shop brings the temp up. I would be concerned about a shock hazard with it attached directly to the metal top; sorry, the building safety inspector in me had to mention it. Just looking out for all my compadres.

Don
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: GrayBeard on June 22, 2010, 05:41:54 pm
So you are one of THOSE guys, Don!

I would guess that not many 'shops' would immediately pass inspection for a number of reasons!

I can run a lot of tools off the same circuit....as long as I don't use them at the same time which is almost impossible anyway! Both of the duplex receptacles have those nice 6 receptacle adapters so I make sure if I need to run two things at once they are plugged in across the shop from each other on separate circuits.

And that is why I converted to 'propane' heat with the tank on the outside of the shop.
Electric heaters suck too much current.

Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: jowshu98 on June 22, 2010, 08:23:52 pm
Joined the "dark side" :) a couple of years ago and yes I know that most shops would not pass inspection. I started my career in the building trades as an electrician and later after college designing and engineering post and beam and modular homes.

I'm not perfect but I've seen my share of things and I try to keep Darwin and Murphy out of the shop as much as possible. You're a step ahead of me with two circuits in the garage, adding another is on my list of things to do.

Don


So you are one of THOSE guys, Don!

I would guess that not many 'shops' would immediately pass inspection for a number of reasons!

I can run a lot of tools off the same circuit....as long as I don't use them at the same time which is almost impossible anyway! Both of the duplex receptacles have those nice 6 receptacle adapters so I make sure if I need to run two things at once they are plugged in across the shop from each other on separate circuits.

And that is why I converted to 'propane' heat with the tank on the outside of the shop.
Electric heaters suck too much current.


Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: boxmaker on June 22, 2010, 08:37:46 pm
Janet,what an excellent idea with the tarp. I heat my shop with a 220v electric wall heater w/thermostat, and in the winter my electric bills almost double. I think I will try moving my scroll closer to the heater this winter and make a smaller area with a tarp. Thanks for the great idea.
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: Russ C on June 22, 2010, 09:01:36 pm
I built my own shop. Put in a 200 amp sub panel. Having enough electricity is not a problem.  8)
Title: Re: Cold Hands
Post by: jimbo on July 02, 2010, 03:05:27 am
Never had a problem with cold hand on the saw untill I read this post from Rimu now the stuff has hit the fan and I have come up with my own solution on how to best the cold hand syndrome.
It will be in the next post that I make!!!!! if you all can wait that long
Jimbo